Sex therapist Jessa Zimmerman interviews Sara Perry, a sexological body worker and somatic sex educator, about helping people connect with their bodies, pleasure, and desires and then communicate and negotiate those desires with partners. Sara shares her path from studying psychology of sexuality to critical theory and somatic sex education, and describes how small choices about comfort, environment, and consent can support healing and pleasure. They discuss the Wheel of Consent, focusing on sensation, asking for what you want, and using “yes, and/yes, but” negotiation rather than shutting down with a simple no. Using examples like cuckolding and other fetishes, Sara emphasizes pacing, avoiding pressure and fatigue, separating fantasy from real-life intent, and building safety over time. They also cover non-monogamy, jealousy and compersion, the need for ongoing conversation and support groups, and Sara’s nonprofit Box of Life and her Haven Space Coaching practice.
00:00 Show Intro
00:45 Meet Sarah Perry
01:27 Sarah’s Origin Story
04:11 Sexuality Can Heal
05:55 Somatic Pleasure Practice
08:36 Desire In Relationship
09:23 Wheel of Consent Basics
10:55 Ask For What You Want
13:27 When Desires Clash
14:56 Cuckolding Example
16:50 Sponsor Break
17:18 How To Bring It Up
17:50 Somatic Setup For Talks
19:35 Fantasy Talk Strategies
21:22 Receiving Kink Confessions
21:51 Curiosity Over Shame
22:38 Fruit Fetish Example
23:47 Yes But Negotiations
25:48 Roleplay Versus Reality
26:50 Cuckolding Roadmap
28:58 Fetish Fatigue Cycles
30:45 Non Monogamy Option
33:06 Jealousy And Compersion
35:13 Support Groups And Boundaries
36:07 Keep The Conversation Alive
37:19 Box Of Life Charity
39:25 Where To Find Them
40:26 Podcast Closing Credits
boxoflife.org
havenspacecoaching.com
